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"summary": "'Giving' while taking more back - The Disservice designed into Life by State and individuals - Time for peer to peer work with what we already love to do, but more often for each other more personally felt... or sticking with state?",
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"content": "<p>Replying on the 3rd post but a lot was felt / received well all in the 5 posts Colin... nice for post that.</p><p>In a short it's all deliberate and deliberate "disservice" which is not aiming for good and THIS is what I see needing to be countered.</p><p>This counter is some of what I outline generally from the title about working together and incrementing trust from ourselves (and previous efforts) instead of working with those we can't trust (also from seeing their previous 'efforts') and by what we love to do individually even in our spare time that actually keeps us true.... and worth much more than emptying it all into uncaring states.</p><p>✔️ In post 4/5 you asked for sparking more deeper conversation, so I hope you receive this well it :)</p><p>______________________________</p><p>You can skip down the 1st lines of sections too as first pass...</p><p>______________________________</p><p><a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Disservice\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Disservice</span></a> is a great word you mention and I've hardly come across what says it so well to what the real problem is and how 'service' is 'given' to people only to get more back. </p><p>We see repeated actions, evidences and constant patterns (which <span class=\"h-card\"><a href=\"https://mathstodon.xyz/@paurea\" class=\"u-url mention\">@<span>paurea</span></a></span> hints to as "I don't think this is about math only") because IT (whatever subject almost nowadays) is overall about <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/cheating\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>cheating</span></a> people and not looking after or even educating them sometimes. </p><p>That's my short version and the disservice in everything cheating people - that is what I think needs solving and not inventing things to feed that, but <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/countering\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>countering</span></a> it.</p><p>______________________________</p><p>⬆️ Let me know what you think of that as a quick checkpoint and if you don't plan reply to all the other points then at least give tiem here to that,. </p><p>Anything helps to see something at least - welcome to say you understand / agree / disagree...</p><p>______________________________</p><p>⬇️ More points / Detail follows <br />(or just reply on above for now)<br />______________________________</p><p>"Let’s stop selling kids short." </p><p>This is also a good line and shows for me the mirror is that the previous generations of people (parents / followers) and other people (manipulators) of almost any power do more of these things (parents included) and do not want <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/children\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>children</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/kids\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>kids</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/learners\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>learners</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/academics\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>academics</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/mathematicians\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>mathematicians</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/inventors\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>inventors</span></a> etc to be <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/empowered\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>empowered</span></a> - they even want them to sell out / cheat themselves / pay more for it / devalue it while thinking they are somehow getting ahead or getting respect and also that it's not their problem when others take the hit / stay poor.</p><p>'Giving' while taking more back happens on all levels to maintain / keep total control. <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Fascism\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Fascism</span></a> even, financially.</p><p>The designed dis-service into life by State and it's individuals we need to undo / act upon by cooperation with each other increasingly.</p><p>Now is the time for peer to peer work (like <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/p2p\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>p2p</span></a> machines do to seed torrents but more people doing it themselves finding their own <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/nuances\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>nuances</span></a>) with what we individuals already do and love doing, but do for each other and build on it knowing it stays more true than state-driven stuff. Individually it's more personally felt and less distant even if needs hacking away at the fodder to find gold in each other with consent to co-create... </p><p>Not sticking with state is basically 'for the way' slowly but surely because since it mostly skips a lot and takes what we love only / mostly and works without just the extractional sense (<a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/material\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>material</span></a> / body <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/extraction\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>extraction</span></a>) and can't leave out the <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/caring\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>caring</span></a> so often (we just can't do it!) or <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/omit\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>omit</span></a> how we or other people feel in the same way $tates do. We aim to make it easier instead of harder / more hoops to jump.</p><p>_______________________________<br /> I'd like to draw a line there...<br />_______________________________</p><p>Just as a one big part done<br />Thanks for reading.</p><p>And if you allow - then I'd like to give examples and tie in <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/money\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>money</span></a> and <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/tax\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>tax</span></a> to the above baseline that is cheating us as the raw / mathematical evidences of this pattern of control and reduction of our individual power - if really you need to read about that!</p><p>Largely "a system" which can also mean 'a way of cheating people' or scheme for certain objectives ! </p><p>Language is often a reliable tool for me if not just "a way of doing things" (which de-facto is a way of not doing other things) - and that is deliberate especially when people refine it over time and you have regulate events like bank <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/bailouts\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>bailouts</span></a> and <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/crashes\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>crashes</span></a>.</p><p>Even while people are seemingly "getting ahead" / making money in negative spectrum of material - it's almost still without mindset / ethics or improving that so losing a lot of usefulness as banks give it to people for <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/war\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>war</span></a> mostly as it's most profitable.</p><p>It seems we are always being brought back to a "struggling" as kind of optimum <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/algorithm\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>algorithm</span></a> in order to keep running for others rather than reach any stage of enlightenment... </p><p>Cold systems increment and "maximise" work like a <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/treadmill\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>treadmill</span></a> pushing people to the edge of their life / even killing them.<br />The tree of life by human design is for giving back to themselves more often (or just plain stealing large cuts) and mainly utopia in the early ages just for starting people out in life until they have muscles to get to work and in order to <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/tax\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>tax</span></a> them for life and take back any money from each of their transactions and even their <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/pensions\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>pensions</span></a> in whole (age goes up and therefore your chances go down). Many will never see that money - including the public.</p><p>The limitations on life seems always about taking more back while 'giving' which ends up as cheating / very uncaring. </p><p>________________________________</p><p>Is there a mathematical equation you could represent for that? <br />(think about that / write something now)</p><p>________________________________</p><p>At the beginning anything can be seen as good even a high interest account or free money - but even that is as a hook as the actual means of taking more overall and retaining power not long after and even total central control. </p><p>Loaning for example dilutes all money in the system. </p><p>- If banks don't have the total amount is seems an illegal operation to lend what they don't have. </p><p>- If they choose who money doesn't go to then it's dangerous.</p><p>- If <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/wars\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>wars</span></a> are supplies money (both sides) it's a huge reason to abandon them / try stop saving with them.</p><p>- If banks and companies are competitors trying to leverage debt then all ends up as loss for everyone (or public pays for private bank mistakes as '<a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/bailouts\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>bailouts</span></a>) - then this is also bad / nobody is a winner / all public lose out.</p><p>You could say this is all unfair on a micro or macro level of the same never-aiming-to-be-equalised 'system', never lessening the financial strain or towards understanding / freedoms / humbleness... <br />_______________________________</p><p>EVEN IF THEY COULD THEY WOULDN'T </p><p>Even if they could do any of this humble stuff or even if previous generations had already paid for services many times over (because they probably have) it's not like they would say "ok it's free now for at least a few years".</p><p>I believe they wouldn't / aren't aiming to do so and asking for that much if you see the monthly profits even just by top 10 companies (also evading tax themselves). </p><p>So just increasing the <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/treadmill\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>treadmill</span></a> for individuals and more-mechanical style of life needs countering somehow.</p><p>_______________________________</p><p>HUMANS HUNTING HUMANS / CORNERING THEM FINANCIALLY</p><p>Humans naturally come up against humans (those who hunt others).<br />Much like hunters people can hunt other hunters also which is today in the economic form and sadly yes <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/maths\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>maths</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/computers\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>computers</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/data\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>data</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/adverts\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>adverts</span></a> largely.</p><p>I'm going to stick to money and tax a bit more than the other sub-cheating things because maybe it's clearer how it cheat people.</p><p>______________________________</p><p>Earlier I ask how you would represent the problem of "taking more than giving" in mathematical form... </p><p>Any ideas?</p><p>As a quick attempt - here is a simplified way to see money which is more literally true I think:</p><p>$ = [$ x %debt or fees]</p><p>($ is any currency). It's suspiciously confirming how all nations have copied the same (English) way with only the name of currency changed and different picture on bank notes). Same 'system' / way of taking back.</p><p>The equation is the same for most of it's function, take more from people. Maybe "keep them just-about-alive' is the modern style than the 'shoot them if they don't agree' 100 years ago.</p><p>______________________________</p><p>COMPOUND DEBT </p><p>All money is increasingly compound debt is what this equation should say, as the loan operation itself and fees charged perpetuates the cheapening of money itself.. <br />(if you shat yourself wide-eyed you're forgiven)</p><p>Would humanity make something so deliberately flawed is a main question even give or take what I said as true? Would they do it?</p><p>Yes.</p><p>Thus the actual value of what bank notes say are wrong. Deliberately pretending to give you what says a value and then re-issuing regularly - all a scam.</p><p>So banks give debt (or sell it which is a bit weird to say people need to actually buy money before doing anything big) means money is instantly devalued from it's face value - for example if you have to pay 10 for 100, it's it then worth 100 if you give it to someone else even 10 seconds after?</p><p>The overall pool of money is further devalued faster as banks loan more (behind customers back or not - upto 9 times allegedly which compounding itself is incalculable / infinite). So that is a huge problem and flaw in people's thinking things can work for the positives in people or values as it increases loans and negatives and gives power to banks as a cloaking tool for extracting money for itself and state in future. <br />____________________________</p><p>Anybody know how many loans are out there?</p><p>Anybody know how much profit comes / has come from that 1 loan compunded?</p><p>____________________________</p><p>The pool of money is diluted on every single loan operation (1000's per day). It reduces the overall pool value like having pure juice to start with and just adding more water until it's diluted the strength...</p><p>____________________________</p><p>I wonder, if you ever though of it like that?</p><p>Did you know some of that? Do you see how negatively society is impacted from banks / restriction to all life within a bank model? <br />(non-confrontational question)</p><p>____________________________</p><p>NOBODY KNOWS THE TRUTH / CAN'T SEE BANKING SYSTEM / IT'S ACTUAL PRACTISES</p><p>I think it's easy to dismiss a lot since "nobody knows' / it's not transparent enough to calculate what banks do and how often or bad it is but even from basics you can be sure say they must be "making a killing"... even based on your own financial dealings with them.</p><p>Any customer and friend we give money to might think they are getting what the face value it shows... but they aren't. Each 100 we give was paid for previously as part of a loan and that was also paid for as part of a loan (ad infinitum) probably by now...</p><p>____________________________</p><p>INVISIBLE HAND / ADAM SMITH</p><p>This is what people don't see happening so clearly (even if some do know their money is loaned) they don't calculate how much banks get by re-loaning (again) and what they largely don't have asking others to "promise to pay" it instead. It's a gamble as a virtual amount in the future and also not right / needed. </p><p>I know people largely don't want to do any "people work" or even <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/cooperate\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>cooperate</span></a> with each other individual so they go for the cold maths / number / machines / distant institution approach / cold mercenaries. And don't blame them before....</p><p>But now really even that has limits as the system itself starts rejecting unprofitable people itself or cheating those that work for them almost for free and increasingly for free / paying for their own life owing constantly for the same or even lesser reduced products since their hooked on money for everything and totally deficient in knowledge for growing things or totally un-self-sufficient (not even growing 1 plant until 40 years old).</p><p>______________________________</p><p>Again take a break if you want and just send a reply on just that.</p><p>______________________________</p><p>TAKING MORE BACK BY GIVING INITIALLY...</p><p>The examples of "taking-more-by-giving-initially as a mechanism are usually <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/mathematical\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>mathematical</span></a> and included as a weapon / deliberate misunderstanding against people (people are to blame too but clever people have deception / overwhelming calculations / miss-selling of money itself in mind and using it as their way to access the cheats... </p><p>And condition to not to having housing also which needs banks.</p><p>Limiting people's ability to change (forcing them to stay in money cycle) is also further reducing / taking away what could be more passed on *a bit more* (the profit) more than cheated from (siphoned / withheld) from them (and the future even unborn people who should have rights to the planet even without big resources, like place to <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/live\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>live</span></a> even without <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/electricity\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>electricity</span></a>). </p><p>It's indeed devaluing the future in to almost into nothing and even minus / negative numbers and meaninglessness toilet paper as <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Ponzi\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Ponzi</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/schemes\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>schemes</span></a> continue their work or created (or attempted) as currency or otherwise similar stuff. </p><p>New people are born into the equations at worse degrees the further down the line as time goes. Sad. Am I wrong?</p><p>Debt % on money works stronger than anything else and is by design banks and state co-operating together with %interest given is not as much so %debt wins (said in a basics sense)</p><p>And all the while power and assets accumulated by them. <br />Any claims of high risk in lending has a small part I think because this is anyway much more reduced nowadays at the start to make sure nobody escapes "scot free" like having <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/collateral\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>collateral</span></a> as people's house or someone else's assets as collateral and other ways upfront.</p><p>So during all this (even in the best cases of system allocating for risk) it's giving mega <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/power\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>power</span></a> to repeat <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/offenders\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>offenders</span></a> and people constructing the <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/uncaring\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>uncaring</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/structures\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>structures</span></a> in more and more diverse areas to make it even worse.</p><p><a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Choosing\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Choosing</span></a> who gets a loan or why it is good for the bank is as good as stopping diversity itself and people's dreams of peace which for banks is based on raw extraction and not good peaceful things actually if you have to keep digging to pay for a infinite black hole of debt.</p><p>Good things want for good things and largely satisfied with planet and slow-cooking outside of material extraction and fucking things fast (not saying everyone is innocent) but in the realms of the mind and health the state and banks are not really considering any of this so that's irresponsible as a collective.<br /> <br />Using people like animals is another way to say it. Just drives competition and prices up in uneducated population instead of "taking care of all" (at even lesser levels of that 'utopian' sentiment I sound like having) but doesn't have to be <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/tyranny\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>tyranny</span></a> / fucked-if-you-don't <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/ultimatums\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>ultimatums</span></a> either. </p><p>AND THAT is what we need to sort out. The bad and bad 'givers' of life which do need their hand bitten and land taken back somewhat instead of just land constantly re-sold / stolen back <br />(even if I don't have great ideas for how other than more than shared housing between ourselves and not putting an <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/arbitrary\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>arbitrary</span></a> bank price on what humans need much like not monetising <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/hospitals\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>hospitals</span></a> since people will pay anything to keep their <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/health\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>health</span></a> - same with almost everything else!). Put a price on anything enters the snow-balling competitive gladiatorial area, Not worth it. Work with prices as less the only way and help others up using other ways we like doing already at the same time as existing ways.</p><p>Even though we already use animals too keep in mind which helps us human a lot (or totally)! </p><p>It's not far different as doing the same with humans with other humans, and getting more and more in that way life-threatening and competitive daily milking humans for every single thing. </p><p>So we need to work together more often.</p><p>_______________________________<br />Again take a break if you need<br />_______________________________</p><p>ILLEGAL NUMERICAL VALUES FOR HUMAN / SENTIENT BEINGS...</p><p>The <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/cheating\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>cheating</span></a> / illegal-numerical functions / negative-creation as basis for life (or banks as life creation) - needs to stop.</p><p>Taking our energy and gambling it away (stock & shares) or any virtual or human 'markets' seem rather wrong. </p><p>And when they lose, we lose more - and then can cash us out / ditch us anytime like a rigged casino if using their money. </p><p>Bad things only come from that. As obstacles for animals it make sense for them limit us to to win or escape their system even while crash or controlled destruction of money happens to force players out of the game / to sell out control. </p><p>We leave our pots / assets to them at the end while they use billions of lives with fees taxes and transaction %'s embedded.</p><p>Crazy... </p><p>______________________________</p><p>AUTHORITY IS NOT BASED ON LOGIC... NOT NEEDING TO BE LOGICAL IN ORDER TO OPERATE..</p><p>"TEACHERS" AS SMALL EXAMPLE OF POWER OR ULTIMATUMS</p><p>Imagine the teacher or professor comes up against the clever student who embarrasses the authority in the room with their own intelligence - more often it's going to be knocked down or punished / kept dumb in other ways )or just ignored) in order to keep order / even keep their own job. Stick to script (teachers <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/contract\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>contract</span></a>) is highest <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/authority\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>authority</span></a> regardless - to keep <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/power\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>power</span></a> and <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/structure\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>structure</span></a> is priority. Students can try teach others or go out of script - well but perhaps at their own risk and unless it's financially beneficial both student and teacher are not going to be supported - so don't give either them ideas that they can do it themselves also as education.</p><p>State I believe is just people building their own thing or them seeing it their self-given jobs as better doing it for us (thus keeping their own jobs to direct us more than give more slack / rest / real education / peace of mind). </p><p>So logic and all this begging for rest or <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/change\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>change</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/climate\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>climate</span></a> control, <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/love\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>love</span></a>, or any slack with less tyranny is ignored/</p><p>Keep in mind people are busy on the other hashtags RIGHT NOW also complaining hard about these sorts of things instead of constructing together some <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/friendships\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>friendships</span></a> and being <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/friends\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>friends</span></a> instead of giving more energy to non-hate-propelling stuff a chance instead of pumping those leaders' names everywhere. Those people must be loving it right now. Might as well mention the hashtags people are stuck in like <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Trump\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Musk\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Musk</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Zuckerberg\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Zuckerberg</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Bezos\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Bezos</span></a> etc and it's overall the same - nobody really asks us in life - you are told / given limited contract at best. And complain instead of construct.</p><p>That's why people have to see themselves as their own authority more and more, and work with others who have more of measurable caring nature rather than working with almost opposite being trodden on.<br />_______________________________</p><p>In summary points, many things could have enabled us to ride on things for longer, cheaper, heading towards free (or giving more lovingly and understandingly)...</p><p>_______________________________</p><p>BEYOND INCORRECTLY ASSIGNED NUMBERS </p><p>OR</p><p>'ILLEGAL' NUMBERS </p><p>...IF IT'S JUST ABOUT EXTRACTION MATRICES AND AGAINST NATURES WAY AND PLANETS OWN VALUE SYSTEM </p><p>Because things actually have a value and attribute beyond numbers and own way (as do people)- we could reduce numbers as the only way or priority or label of worthy of using and still function more humanly together with more natural slack, </p><p>Being so boxed in / limited to a number / time I admit will make people more 'lazy' but having <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/workaholics\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>workaholics</span></a> and <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/alcoholics\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>alcoholics</span></a> and other abuses is no better.</p><p>So even if money was 4th priority in every chain or decision then other things would naturally be promoted or grow themselves up as higher / better in the <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/priorityladder\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>priorityladder</span></a>.... </p><p>_______________________________</p><p>HUMAN NATURE IS NATURALLY... BAD?</p><p>But human nature seems to want people to pay no matter want *1st* AND THEN figure out the problem - this itself (the paying / disrespect first) is the problems to humans and as deliberate misunderstanding itself.</p><p>Pretending to serve while making it all more expensive (even for them too) shows how people will shoot themselves in the foot to make sure others get less or pay more or that they get more or pay less, while it all goes up for literally the same things which often keep the same baseline.</p><p>If there is a <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/psychological\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>psychological</span></a> or humanistic term for this past envy / jealousy and 7 sins type stuff I'd love to hear it because people need jealousy etc flipped, much like a switch in their head, to work in the other direction seeing it as is a lot better circle to get to the other side, for all involved, or like a bicycle gear gradually lessening reducing speed of these costs or high*gain profits in exchange for see real progress between people in the mind and body. </p><p>(all at the same time is ok but ratio in favour of good things more often than blindly using the same bad)<br />_______________________________</p><p>➡️ Appreciate your thoughts on that, even as mini post replies and revisits whenever you feel.</p><p>______________________________</p><p>✔️ In post 4/5 you asked for sparking more deeper conversation, so I hope you receive this well it :)</p><p>______________________________</p><p>🕛 TIME IS NEEDED (FOR THIS POST AND TO FIX THE FUTURE...)<br />Most people don't have time but this is also proportionate to how quickly the money can go / be spent mindlessly when not realising the bucket given has a deliberate hole in it... <br />and even a modern mathematical pump attached while your off working or doing others things.</p><p>THESE types of humanistic factors and your post sentiments and kinds of mechanisms / patters are actually the one of the biggest problems to solve I think- how to get the right like-minded people together (not just on Trump hashtag) AND work together more towards free / just not money ways / banks as their poor baselines or as the priority for paypal buttons to donate and help each other, I mean please).</p><p>I have a dream we just work for free for each other more often and keep measuring that as our own evidence, own profiles to judge, mutual work and sharing as measured trust or even from a distance just giving and seeing it's much less likely for evil.</p><p>Less working for them effectively and more for our own measurable things even if I never meet you. More more for us even in our own dreams / projects, </p><p>Even by talking about it and not investing anything but time we are seeing the understanding / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/mutual\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>mutual</span></a>-<a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/partnerships\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>partnerships</span></a> vs. <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/money\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>money</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/jobs\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>jobs</span></a>.</p><p>Modern Capitalism is cutting out that stuff and it's a good sign that by doing it we achieve more human things (less <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/machines\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>machines</span></a> / cold <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/algorithms\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>algorithms</span></a>, <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/adverts\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>adverts</span></a> ad <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/adfarms\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>adfarms</span></a> etc).</p><p>Overall not cheating the other(s) so badly / being clear what we know is bad and using peer-to-peer structures that don't undo things more often by design and instead of using their material we use our own (as best we can do with existing stuff we anyway would do). </p><p>Less doing what undoes every part of their work in selling out at almost every transaction down the line in part of it but also or doing something else in parallel is large part of it to increase so it's not just energy going to an uncaring $tate of extraction in the end and only those in it for the uncaring conversion for more of the same.</p><p>People paying blindly doesn't work. Trusting financial people blind I think doesn't work. <br />People who believe in that need skipping for now and seeing somewhat the 'fun' in building something else of the same things inside better container. </p><p>______________________________</p><p>CAN YOU TRUST PEOPLE AND NOT JUST THE STATE OR BANKS?</p><p>So then more directly a question - why can't you or I can't trust each other over increments of talk / work (or even one post I've taken the time to craft) - how is this any worse and not worth talking about what we need to do because it's not quite the same risk with the state eating it all for themselves and leaving us with the small change - The internet is safe in it's own way. </p><p>We could do and almost do anyway right now more for free </p><p>It's not just about money or increasingly high rents. The list of other things like understanding / better practices / privacy etc all fall in here and often lost as people don't build and post 1-way posts.</p><p>Disservice and cheating as the label is definitely what they do. <br />But also what the people don't do is work in this more measured way with more visibly caring containers. </p><p>Maybe in times before it was was less cheating people or more fair, but now it's certainly changed and more increasingly more of the same. <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Mathematics\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Mathematics</span></a> is not the only weaponised thing...</p><p>Time taken from people also... which is perhaps part of the same thing...</p><p>______________________________</p><p>So who wants to put in time to solve this equation? </p><p>Let me know if you don't reply to all the other points Just a sign you understand some things or even don't agree it helps to see something.</p>",
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"en": "<p>Replying on the 3rd post but a lot was felt / received well all in the 5 posts Colin... nice for post that.</p><p>In a short it's all deliberate and deliberate "disservice" which is not aiming for good and THIS is what I see needing to be countered.</p><p>This counter is some of what I outline generally from the title about working together and incrementing trust from ourselves (and previous efforts) instead of working with those we can't trust (also from seeing their previous 'efforts') and by what we love to do individually even in our spare time that actually keeps us true.... and worth much more than emptying it all into uncaring states.</p><p>✔️ In post 4/5 you asked for sparking more deeper conversation, so I hope you receive this well it :)</p><p>______________________________</p><p>You can skip down the 1st lines of sections too as first pass...</p><p>______________________________</p><p><a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Disservice\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Disservice</span></a> is a great word you mention and I've hardly come across what says it so well to what the real problem is and how 'service' is 'given' to people only to get more back. </p><p>We see repeated actions, evidences and constant patterns (which <span class=\"h-card\"><a href=\"https://mathstodon.xyz/@paurea\" class=\"u-url mention\">@<span>paurea</span></a></span> hints to as "I don't think this is about math only") because IT (whatever subject almost nowadays) is overall about <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/cheating\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>cheating</span></a> people and not looking after or even educating them sometimes. </p><p>That's my short version and the disservice in everything cheating people - that is what I think needs solving and not inventing things to feed that, but <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/countering\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>countering</span></a> it.</p><p>______________________________</p><p>⬆️ Let me know what you think of that as a quick checkpoint and if you don't plan reply to all the other points then at least give tiem here to that,. </p><p>Anything helps to see something at least - welcome to say you understand / agree / disagree...</p><p>______________________________</p><p>⬇️ More points / Detail follows <br />(or just reply on above for now)<br />______________________________</p><p>"Let’s stop selling kids short." </p><p>This is also a good line and shows for me the mirror is that the previous generations of people (parents / followers) and other people (manipulators) of almost any power do more of these things (parents included) and do not want <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/children\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>children</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/kids\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>kids</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/learners\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>learners</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/academics\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>academics</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/mathematicians\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>mathematicians</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/inventors\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>inventors</span></a> etc to be <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/empowered\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>empowered</span></a> - they even want them to sell out / cheat themselves / pay more for it / devalue it while thinking they are somehow getting ahead or getting respect and also that it's not their problem when others take the hit / stay poor.</p><p>'Giving' while taking more back happens on all levels to maintain / keep total control. <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Fascism\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Fascism</span></a> even, financially.</p><p>The designed dis-service into life by State and it's individuals we need to undo / act upon by cooperation with each other increasingly.</p><p>Now is the time for peer to peer work (like <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/p2p\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>p2p</span></a> machines do to seed torrents but more people doing it themselves finding their own <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/nuances\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>nuances</span></a>) with what we individuals already do and love doing, but do for each other and build on it knowing it stays more true than state-driven stuff. Individually it's more personally felt and less distant even if needs hacking away at the fodder to find gold in each other with consent to co-create... </p><p>Not sticking with state is basically 'for the way' slowly but surely because since it mostly skips a lot and takes what we love only / mostly and works without just the extractional sense (<a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/material\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>material</span></a> / body <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/extraction\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>extraction</span></a>) and can't leave out the <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/caring\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>caring</span></a> so often (we just can't do it!) or <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/omit\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>omit</span></a> how we or other people feel in the same way $tates do. We aim to make it easier instead of harder / more hoops to jump.</p><p>_______________________________<br /> I'd like to draw a line there...<br />_______________________________</p><p>Just as a one big part done<br />Thanks for reading.</p><p>And if you allow - then I'd like to give examples and tie in <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/money\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>money</span></a> and <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/tax\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>tax</span></a> to the above baseline that is cheating us as the raw / mathematical evidences of this pattern of control and reduction of our individual power - if really you need to read about that!</p><p>Largely "a system" which can also mean 'a way of cheating people' or scheme for certain objectives ! </p><p>Language is often a reliable tool for me if not just "a way of doing things" (which de-facto is a way of not doing other things) - and that is deliberate especially when people refine it over time and you have regulate events like bank <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/bailouts\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>bailouts</span></a> and <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/crashes\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>crashes</span></a>.</p><p>Even while people are seemingly "getting ahead" / making money in negative spectrum of material - it's almost still without mindset / ethics or improving that so losing a lot of usefulness as banks give it to people for <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/war\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>war</span></a> mostly as it's most profitable.</p><p>It seems we are always being brought back to a "struggling" as kind of optimum <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/algorithm\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>algorithm</span></a> in order to keep running for others rather than reach any stage of enlightenment... </p><p>Cold systems increment and "maximise" work like a <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/treadmill\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>treadmill</span></a> pushing people to the edge of their life / even killing them.<br />The tree of life by human design is for giving back to themselves more often (or just plain stealing large cuts) and mainly utopia in the early ages just for starting people out in life until they have muscles to get to work and in order to <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/tax\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>tax</span></a> them for life and take back any money from each of their transactions and even their <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/pensions\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>pensions</span></a> in whole (age goes up and therefore your chances go down). Many will never see that money - including the public.</p><p>The limitations on life seems always about taking more back while 'giving' which ends up as cheating / very uncaring. </p><p>________________________________</p><p>Is there a mathematical equation you could represent for that? <br />(think about that / write something now)</p><p>________________________________</p><p>At the beginning anything can be seen as good even a high interest account or free money - but even that is as a hook as the actual means of taking more overall and retaining power not long after and even total central control. </p><p>Loaning for example dilutes all money in the system. </p><p>- If banks don't have the total amount is seems an illegal operation to lend what they don't have. </p><p>- If they choose who money doesn't go to then it's dangerous.</p><p>- If <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/wars\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>wars</span></a> are supplies money (both sides) it's a huge reason to abandon them / try stop saving with them.</p><p>- If banks and companies are competitors trying to leverage debt then all ends up as loss for everyone (or public pays for private bank mistakes as '<a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/bailouts\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>bailouts</span></a>) - then this is also bad / nobody is a winner / all public lose out.</p><p>You could say this is all unfair on a micro or macro level of the same never-aiming-to-be-equalised 'system', never lessening the financial strain or towards understanding / freedoms / humbleness... <br />_______________________________</p><p>EVEN IF THEY COULD THEY WOULDN'T </p><p>Even if they could do any of this humble stuff or even if previous generations had already paid for services many times over (because they probably have) it's not like they would say "ok it's free now for at least a few years".</p><p>I believe they wouldn't / aren't aiming to do so and asking for that much if you see the monthly profits even just by top 10 companies (also evading tax themselves). </p><p>So just increasing the <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/treadmill\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>treadmill</span></a> for individuals and more-mechanical style of life needs countering somehow.</p><p>_______________________________</p><p>HUMANS HUNTING HUMANS / CORNERING THEM FINANCIALLY</p><p>Humans naturally come up against humans (those who hunt others).<br />Much like hunters people can hunt other hunters also which is today in the economic form and sadly yes <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/maths\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>maths</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/computers\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>computers</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/data\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>data</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/adverts\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>adverts</span></a> largely.</p><p>I'm going to stick to money and tax a bit more than the other sub-cheating things because maybe it's clearer how it cheat people.</p><p>______________________________</p><p>Earlier I ask how you would represent the problem of "taking more than giving" in mathematical form... </p><p>Any ideas?</p><p>As a quick attempt - here is a simplified way to see money which is more literally true I think:</p><p>$ = [$ x %debt or fees]</p><p>($ is any currency). It's suspiciously confirming how all nations have copied the same (English) way with only the name of currency changed and different picture on bank notes). Same 'system' / way of taking back.</p><p>The equation is the same for most of it's function, take more from people. Maybe "keep them just-about-alive' is the modern style than the 'shoot them if they don't agree' 100 years ago.</p><p>______________________________</p><p>COMPOUND DEBT </p><p>All money is increasingly compound debt is what this equation should say, as the loan operation itself and fees charged perpetuates the cheapening of money itself.. <br />(if you shat yourself wide-eyed you're forgiven)</p><p>Would humanity make something so deliberately flawed is a main question even give or take what I said as true? Would they do it?</p><p>Yes.</p><p>Thus the actual value of what bank notes say are wrong. Deliberately pretending to give you what says a value and then re-issuing regularly - all a scam.</p><p>So banks give debt (or sell it which is a bit weird to say people need to actually buy money before doing anything big) means money is instantly devalued from it's face value - for example if you have to pay 10 for 100, it's it then worth 100 if you give it to someone else even 10 seconds after?</p><p>The overall pool of money is further devalued faster as banks loan more (behind customers back or not - upto 9 times allegedly which compounding itself is incalculable / infinite). So that is a huge problem and flaw in people's thinking things can work for the positives in people or values as it increases loans and negatives and gives power to banks as a cloaking tool for extracting money for itself and state in future. <br />____________________________</p><p>Anybody know how many loans are out there?</p><p>Anybody know how much profit comes / has come from that 1 loan compunded?</p><p>____________________________</p><p>The pool of money is diluted on every single loan operation (1000's per day). It reduces the overall pool value like having pure juice to start with and just adding more water until it's diluted the strength...</p><p>____________________________</p><p>I wonder, if you ever though of it like that?</p><p>Did you know some of that? Do you see how negatively society is impacted from banks / restriction to all life within a bank model? <br />(non-confrontational question)</p><p>____________________________</p><p>NOBODY KNOWS THE TRUTH / CAN'T SEE BANKING SYSTEM / IT'S ACTUAL PRACTISES</p><p>I think it's easy to dismiss a lot since "nobody knows' / it's not transparent enough to calculate what banks do and how often or bad it is but even from basics you can be sure say they must be "making a killing"... even based on your own financial dealings with them.</p><p>Any customer and friend we give money to might think they are getting what the face value it shows... but they aren't. Each 100 we give was paid for previously as part of a loan and that was also paid for as part of a loan (ad infinitum) probably by now...</p><p>____________________________</p><p>INVISIBLE HAND / ADAM SMITH</p><p>This is what people don't see happening so clearly (even if some do know their money is loaned) they don't calculate how much banks get by re-loaning (again) and what they largely don't have asking others to "promise to pay" it instead. It's a gamble as a virtual amount in the future and also not right / needed. </p><p>I know people largely don't want to do any "people work" or even <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/cooperate\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>cooperate</span></a> with each other individual so they go for the cold maths / number / machines / distant institution approach / cold mercenaries. And don't blame them before....</p><p>But now really even that has limits as the system itself starts rejecting unprofitable people itself or cheating those that work for them almost for free and increasingly for free / paying for their own life owing constantly for the same or even lesser reduced products since their hooked on money for everything and totally deficient in knowledge for growing things or totally un-self-sufficient (not even growing 1 plant until 40 years old).</p><p>______________________________</p><p>Again take a break if you want and just send a reply on just that.</p><p>______________________________</p><p>TAKING MORE BACK BY GIVING INITIALLY...</p><p>The examples of "taking-more-by-giving-initially as a mechanism are usually <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/mathematical\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>mathematical</span></a> and included as a weapon / deliberate misunderstanding against people (people are to blame too but clever people have deception / overwhelming calculations / miss-selling of money itself in mind and using it as their way to access the cheats... </p><p>And condition to not to having housing also which needs banks.</p><p>Limiting people's ability to change (forcing them to stay in money cycle) is also further reducing / taking away what could be more passed on *a bit more* (the profit) more than cheated from (siphoned / withheld) from them (and the future even unborn people who should have rights to the planet even without big resources, like place to <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/live\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>live</span></a> even without <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/electricity\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>electricity</span></a>). </p><p>It's indeed devaluing the future in to almost into nothing and even minus / negative numbers and meaninglessness toilet paper as <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Ponzi\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Ponzi</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/schemes\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>schemes</span></a> continue their work or created (or attempted) as currency or otherwise similar stuff. </p><p>New people are born into the equations at worse degrees the further down the line as time goes. Sad. Am I wrong?</p><p>Debt % on money works stronger than anything else and is by design banks and state co-operating together with %interest given is not as much so %debt wins (said in a basics sense)</p><p>And all the while power and assets accumulated by them. <br />Any claims of high risk in lending has a small part I think because this is anyway much more reduced nowadays at the start to make sure nobody escapes "scot free" like having <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/collateral\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>collateral</span></a> as people's house or someone else's assets as collateral and other ways upfront.</p><p>So during all this (even in the best cases of system allocating for risk) it's giving mega <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/power\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>power</span></a> to repeat <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/offenders\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>offenders</span></a> and people constructing the <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/uncaring\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>uncaring</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/structures\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>structures</span></a> in more and more diverse areas to make it even worse.</p><p><a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Choosing\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Choosing</span></a> who gets a loan or why it is good for the bank is as good as stopping diversity itself and people's dreams of peace which for banks is based on raw extraction and not good peaceful things actually if you have to keep digging to pay for a infinite black hole of debt.</p><p>Good things want for good things and largely satisfied with planet and slow-cooking outside of material extraction and fucking things fast (not saying everyone is innocent) but in the realms of the mind and health the state and banks are not really considering any of this so that's irresponsible as a collective.<br /> <br />Using people like animals is another way to say it. Just drives competition and prices up in uneducated population instead of "taking care of all" (at even lesser levels of that 'utopian' sentiment I sound like having) but doesn't have to be <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/tyranny\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>tyranny</span></a> / fucked-if-you-don't <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/ultimatums\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>ultimatums</span></a> either. </p><p>AND THAT is what we need to sort out. The bad and bad 'givers' of life which do need their hand bitten and land taken back somewhat instead of just land constantly re-sold / stolen back <br />(even if I don't have great ideas for how other than more than shared housing between ourselves and not putting an <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/arbitrary\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>arbitrary</span></a> bank price on what humans need much like not monetising <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/hospitals\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>hospitals</span></a> since people will pay anything to keep their <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/health\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>health</span></a> - same with almost everything else!). Put a price on anything enters the snow-balling competitive gladiatorial area, Not worth it. Work with prices as less the only way and help others up using other ways we like doing already at the same time as existing ways.</p><p>Even though we already use animals too keep in mind which helps us human a lot (or totally)! </p><p>It's not far different as doing the same with humans with other humans, and getting more and more in that way life-threatening and competitive daily milking humans for every single thing. </p><p>So we need to work together more often.</p><p>_______________________________<br />Again take a break if you need<br />_______________________________</p><p>ILLEGAL NUMERICAL VALUES FOR HUMAN / SENTIENT BEINGS...</p><p>The <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/cheating\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>cheating</span></a> / illegal-numerical functions / negative-creation as basis for life (or banks as life creation) - needs to stop.</p><p>Taking our energy and gambling it away (stock & shares) or any virtual or human 'markets' seem rather wrong. </p><p>And when they lose, we lose more - and then can cash us out / ditch us anytime like a rigged casino if using their money. </p><p>Bad things only come from that. As obstacles for animals it make sense for them limit us to to win or escape their system even while crash or controlled destruction of money happens to force players out of the game / to sell out control. </p><p>We leave our pots / assets to them at the end while they use billions of lives with fees taxes and transaction %'s embedded.</p><p>Crazy... </p><p>______________________________</p><p>AUTHORITY IS NOT BASED ON LOGIC... NOT NEEDING TO BE LOGICAL IN ORDER TO OPERATE..</p><p>"TEACHERS" AS SMALL EXAMPLE OF POWER OR ULTIMATUMS</p><p>Imagine the teacher or professor comes up against the clever student who embarrasses the authority in the room with their own intelligence - more often it's going to be knocked down or punished / kept dumb in other ways )or just ignored) in order to keep order / even keep their own job. Stick to script (teachers <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/contract\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>contract</span></a>) is highest <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/authority\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>authority</span></a> regardless - to keep <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/power\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>power</span></a> and <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/structure\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>structure</span></a> is priority. Students can try teach others or go out of script - well but perhaps at their own risk and unless it's financially beneficial both student and teacher are not going to be supported - so don't give either them ideas that they can do it themselves also as education.</p><p>State I believe is just people building their own thing or them seeing it their self-given jobs as better doing it for us (thus keeping their own jobs to direct us more than give more slack / rest / real education / peace of mind). </p><p>So logic and all this begging for rest or <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/change\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>change</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/climate\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>climate</span></a> control, <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/love\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>love</span></a>, or any slack with less tyranny is ignored/</p><p>Keep in mind people are busy on the other hashtags RIGHT NOW also complaining hard about these sorts of things instead of constructing together some <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/friendships\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>friendships</span></a> and being <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/friends\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>friends</span></a> instead of giving more energy to non-hate-propelling stuff a chance instead of pumping those leaders' names everywhere. Those people must be loving it right now. Might as well mention the hashtags people are stuck in like <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Trump\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Musk\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Musk</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Zuckerberg\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Zuckerberg</span></a> <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Bezos\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Bezos</span></a> etc and it's overall the same - nobody really asks us in life - you are told / given limited contract at best. And complain instead of construct.</p><p>That's why people have to see themselves as their own authority more and more, and work with others who have more of measurable caring nature rather than working with almost opposite being trodden on.<br />_______________________________</p><p>In summary points, many things could have enabled us to ride on things for longer, cheaper, heading towards free (or giving more lovingly and understandingly)...</p><p>_______________________________</p><p>BEYOND INCORRECTLY ASSIGNED NUMBERS </p><p>OR</p><p>'ILLEGAL' NUMBERS </p><p>...IF IT'S JUST ABOUT EXTRACTION MATRICES AND AGAINST NATURES WAY AND PLANETS OWN VALUE SYSTEM </p><p>Because things actually have a value and attribute beyond numbers and own way (as do people)- we could reduce numbers as the only way or priority or label of worthy of using and still function more humanly together with more natural slack, </p><p>Being so boxed in / limited to a number / time I admit will make people more 'lazy' but having <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/workaholics\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>workaholics</span></a> and <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/alcoholics\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>alcoholics</span></a> and other abuses is no better.</p><p>So even if money was 4th priority in every chain or decision then other things would naturally be promoted or grow themselves up as higher / better in the <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/priorityladder\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>priorityladder</span></a>.... </p><p>_______________________________</p><p>HUMAN NATURE IS NATURALLY... BAD?</p><p>But human nature seems to want people to pay no matter want *1st* AND THEN figure out the problem - this itself (the paying / disrespect first) is the problems to humans and as deliberate misunderstanding itself.</p><p>Pretending to serve while making it all more expensive (even for them too) shows how people will shoot themselves in the foot to make sure others get less or pay more or that they get more or pay less, while it all goes up for literally the same things which often keep the same baseline.</p><p>If there is a <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/psychological\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>psychological</span></a> or humanistic term for this past envy / jealousy and 7 sins type stuff I'd love to hear it because people need jealousy etc flipped, much like a switch in their head, to work in the other direction seeing it as is a lot better circle to get to the other side, for all involved, or like a bicycle gear gradually lessening reducing speed of these costs or high*gain profits in exchange for see real progress between people in the mind and body. </p><p>(all at the same time is ok but ratio in favour of good things more often than blindly using the same bad)<br />_______________________________</p><p>➡️ Appreciate your thoughts on that, even as mini post replies and revisits whenever you feel.</p><p>______________________________</p><p>✔️ In post 4/5 you asked for sparking more deeper conversation, so I hope you receive this well it :)</p><p>______________________________</p><p>🕛 TIME IS NEEDED (FOR THIS POST AND TO FIX THE FUTURE...)<br />Most people don't have time but this is also proportionate to how quickly the money can go / be spent mindlessly when not realising the bucket given has a deliberate hole in it... <br />and even a modern mathematical pump attached while your off working or doing others things.</p><p>THESE types of humanistic factors and your post sentiments and kinds of mechanisms / patters are actually the one of the biggest problems to solve I think- how to get the right like-minded people together (not just on Trump hashtag) AND work together more towards free / just not money ways / banks as their poor baselines or as the priority for paypal buttons to donate and help each other, I mean please).</p><p>I have a dream we just work for free for each other more often and keep measuring that as our own evidence, own profiles to judge, mutual work and sharing as measured trust or even from a distance just giving and seeing it's much less likely for evil.</p><p>Less working for them effectively and more for our own measurable things even if I never meet you. More more for us even in our own dreams / projects, </p><p>Even by talking about it and not investing anything but time we are seeing the understanding / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/mutual\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>mutual</span></a>-<a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/partnerships\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>partnerships</span></a> vs. <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/money\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>money</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/jobs\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>jobs</span></a>.</p><p>Modern Capitalism is cutting out that stuff and it's a good sign that by doing it we achieve more human things (less <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/machines\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>machines</span></a> / cold <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/algorithms\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>algorithms</span></a>, <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/adverts\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>adverts</span></a> ad <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/adfarms\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>adfarms</span></a> etc).</p><p>Overall not cheating the other(s) so badly / being clear what we know is bad and using peer-to-peer structures that don't undo things more often by design and instead of using their material we use our own (as best we can do with existing stuff we anyway would do). </p><p>Less doing what undoes every part of their work in selling out at almost every transaction down the line in part of it but also or doing something else in parallel is large part of it to increase so it's not just energy going to an uncaring $tate of extraction in the end and only those in it for the uncaring conversion for more of the same.</p><p>People paying blindly doesn't work. Trusting financial people blind I think doesn't work. <br />People who believe in that need skipping for now and seeing somewhat the 'fun' in building something else of the same things inside better container. </p><p>______________________________</p><p>CAN YOU TRUST PEOPLE AND NOT JUST THE STATE OR BANKS?</p><p>So then more directly a question - why can't you or I can't trust each other over increments of talk / work (or even one post I've taken the time to craft) - how is this any worse and not worth talking about what we need to do because it's not quite the same risk with the state eating it all for themselves and leaving us with the small change - The internet is safe in it's own way. </p><p>We could do and almost do anyway right now more for free </p><p>It's not just about money or increasingly high rents. The list of other things like understanding / better practices / privacy etc all fall in here and often lost as people don't build and post 1-way posts.</p><p>Disservice and cheating as the label is definitely what they do. <br />But also what the people don't do is work in this more measured way with more visibly caring containers. </p><p>Maybe in times before it was was less cheating people or more fair, but now it's certainly changed and more increasingly more of the same. <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Mathematics\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Mathematics</span></a> is not the only weaponised thing...</p><p>Time taken from people also... which is perhaps part of the same thing...</p><p>______________________________</p><p>So who wants to put in time to solve this equation? </p><p>Let me know if you don't reply to all the other points Just a sign you understand some things or even don't agree it helps to see something.</p>"
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