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"content": "<p>Updating and Writing copies of this now just to get some feedback. <span class=\"h-card\"><a href=\"https://qoto.org/@freemo\" class=\"u-url mention\">@<span>freemo</span></a></span> you will get a shorter version and hopefully benefit from revision so can skip this for now.</p><p>(everyone else feel free to comment and I'll keep it in mind and for later revisions today)... </p><p>QUESTION THAT HINT TO MY DIRECTION...</p><p>❓ Just more "users" ? or Better social systems and <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Friendships\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Friendships</span></a> for the better way,.,? </p><p>❓ Why do systems fail us ? </p><p>❓ Why do people not improve / become <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/circular\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>circular</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/frustrated\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>frustrated</span></a>?</p><p>Short version answers as list and description below:</p><p>🔴 ANSWERS / THE LIST </p><p>➡️ 1. Better human social systems = better human <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/friendships\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>friendships</span></a> </p><p>➡️ 2. Machine Systems themselves provide access to #1 but can't actually do it (at all) which is why social practise is needed</p><p>➡️ 3. Machine Systems use coincidence more often (<a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/hashtags\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>hashtags</span></a>, <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/algorithms\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>algorithms</span></a>, not much else) and expect users to know how to *actually* communicate beyond 'nice cat' comments and "nice car" pictures'. This is the void or potential that needs work.</p><p>➡️ 4. People need to grow their brains and ability to moderate feelings internally (systems do not do that) to become better people - not just users which might 'at some point' get it and bumble along saying it's no fault of their own (which is true if others are not actively helping</p><p>➡️ 5. Humanity needs human work, not just machines.</p><p>Better social systems = better <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/friendships\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>friendships</span></a></p><p>LONGER / EXPLAINED VERSION </p><p>➡️ DESCRIPTION / THE NEXT LEVEL AFTER VANILLA INSTALL</p><p>This might be seen as "The Next Level" model beyond just logging in to a communication <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/platform\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>platform</span></a> or <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/installing\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>installing</span></a> a :mastodon: server - because it actually involves the individuals doing more of the work between them, and then finding / accepting others in turn... like a kind of tuning or solving of own missing pieces. 🧩 if you agree that as individuals we are like unique copies and similarities of each other while also sharing the same world so there is a lot in common (and rightly should be).</p><p>Rolling the dice more often with people creatively and otherwise 🎲 but not just as weirdos contacting each other - a better system or way on top.</p><p>For those that really don't want of course that's fine, step aside, BUT also for those that want / need encouragement and have some direction and feelings in life... Let us all process it.</p><p>Nobody wants to be alone and I agree nobody wants to be a shoulder to cry on all the time - but it needs something in the middle and not just being increasingly alone (again my opinion but is measurable but modern capitalistic systems and profit-orientated ways that CUT OUT the humans parts and even replace it with machines).</p><p>What seems to work is actual non-demanding friendship or a sliding scale so that the doors are not totally closed or totally open either... and that middle opens up a whole new world (as friends local and afar gather and from mass turn into a better human unit).</p><p>100% the one-way social is not enough so something for everyone need to be there, not starting from extremes but not stopping after giving another messaging device... stepping towards the extreme as a nicer "program of bettering the brain more often" / re-education / enjoyment of our own selves- improving on many levels of contact all the while. </p><p>🔴 Any thoughts ?<br />THAT'S THE MAIN TEXT so reply to add your opinion please... the rest is just expanding on that</p><p>🔴 YOUTUBE AS EXAMPLE<br />We have youtube but we don't really have contact with those great people. So we can see ourselves in the same dynamic while not needing to be a big hollywood star and being more accessible.</p><p>Youtube is great (apart from being google etc) but the one-way video stuff gets to you after a while as you see you're just a user... but a more together youtube contact where people are able to see and acknowledge you on a more neutral / less advertising space like Mastodon is also essential beyond just watching. Even work with them! This is perhaps the ultimate goal for every artist or educator and while it's "God not all at once" you do need to link people in else just have empty gallery or just tourists who barely use your work or remember you.</p><p>====================<br />🔴 USERS JUST KILLING TIME WITHOUT PARENTS / TEACHERS / EDUCATORS / ETC</p><p>So to make sure as 'users' were are not just killing time (from nothing else to do) we seem to need more relativity with others.<br />Yes some / all of us can use it to kill time nicely but often it's from nothing else to do (which can be bad)</p><p>It's like relying on tech while people stay the same less-skilled levels and less-confident online to actually build trust or measures things better. <br />Essentially need teaching and regular related examples.</p><p>Not investing in people themselves (and more tech) basically means we need a better balance between us than just being given a social messaging system ... or it's the natural next level after we have <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Mastodon\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Mastodon</span></a> etc</p><p>Encouraging closer social relativity... Growing people essentially (not expecting any outside system to do it but us ourselves). </p><p>Improving human relationship seems to be the #1 solution to many things which externally / outside are more conditional and as ultimatums to connecting so not quite able to be honest (it's <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/money\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>money</span></a> or <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/conditions\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>conditions</span></a> first). To make sure we are not just "users" of any system... we need to see and practise more ourselves <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/neutrally\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>neutrally</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/expressively\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>expressively</span></a>.</p><p>Talking together more often might not be for everyone BUT as system makers it's not only about giving people a system and leaving them to and expecting less <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/cordinated\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>cordinated</span></a> stuff to work (for those that want / can see others doing it and benefits).</p><p>It's like giving a child a new phone and expecting them to use it properly. Adults are still fairly new to online and technology even in the basic text sense we've had for a while.</p><p>If 'systems' by themselves only help interact and don't solve actually interacting past one-way messages then everything people can do online or offline can fail to connect properly if actually they don't practise making friends more often or going beyond just monetary exchange (needing to have a job and <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/friends\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>friends</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/colleagues\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>colleagues</span></a> lost after <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/jobs\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>jobs</span></a> </p><p>🔴 GOALS (without sounding to inhuman about this independent <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/project\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>project</span></a>)</p><p>➡️ responsibility for each of us to increase user-to-user interaction on networks <br />➡️ match-making ourselves in that sense <br />➡️ encouraging closer social relativity... growing people essentially (not just code, machines, more systems without our own invested work / only mainstreams stuff to share with others)</p>",
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Better human social systems = better human <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/friendships\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>friendships</span></a> </p><p>➡️ 2. Machine Systems themselves provide access to #1 but can't actually do it (at all) which is why social practise is needed</p><p>➡️ 3. Machine Systems use coincidence more often (<a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/hashtags\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>hashtags</span></a>, <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/algorithms\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>algorithms</span></a>, not much else) and expect users to know how to *actually* communicate beyond 'nice cat' comments and "nice car" pictures'. This is the void or potential that needs work.</p><p>➡️ 4. People need to grow their brains and ability to moderate feelings internally (systems do not do that) to become better people - not just users which might 'at some point' get it and bumble along saying it's no fault of their own (which is true if others are not actively helping</p><p>➡️ 5. Humanity needs human work, not just machines.</p><p>Better social systems = better <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/friendships\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>friendships</span></a></p><p>LONGER / EXPLAINED VERSION </p><p>➡️ DESCRIPTION / THE NEXT LEVEL AFTER VANILLA INSTALL</p><p>This might be seen as "The Next Level" model beyond just logging in to a communication <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/platform\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>platform</span></a> or <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/installing\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>installing</span></a> a :mastodon: server - because it actually involves the individuals doing more of the work between them, and then finding / accepting others in turn... like a kind of tuning or solving of own missing pieces. 🧩 if you agree that as individuals we are like unique copies and similarities of each other while also sharing the same world so there is a lot in common (and rightly should be).</p><p>Rolling the dice more often with people creatively and otherwise 🎲 but not just as weirdos contacting each other - a better system or way on top.</p><p>For those that really don't want of course that's fine, step aside, BUT also for those that want / need encouragement and have some direction and feelings in life... Let us all process it.</p><p>Nobody wants to be alone and I agree nobody wants to be a shoulder to cry on all the time - but it needs something in the middle and not just being increasingly alone (again my opinion but is measurable but modern capitalistic systems and profit-orientated ways that CUT OUT the humans parts and even replace it with machines).</p><p>What seems to work is actual non-demanding friendship or a sliding scale so that the doors are not totally closed or totally open either... and that middle opens up a whole new world (as friends local and afar gather and from mass turn into a better human unit).</p><p>100% the one-way social is not enough so something for everyone need to be there, not starting from extremes but not stopping after giving another messaging device... stepping towards the extreme as a nicer "program of bettering the brain more often" / re-education / enjoyment of our own selves- improving on many levels of contact all the while. </p><p>🔴 Any thoughts ?<br />THAT'S THE MAIN TEXT so reply to add your opinion please... the rest is just expanding on that</p><p>🔴 YOUTUBE AS EXAMPLE<br />We have youtube but we don't really have contact with those great people. So we can see ourselves in the same dynamic while not needing to be a big hollywood star and being more accessible.</p><p>Youtube is great (apart from being google etc) but the one-way video stuff gets to you after a while as you see you're just a user... but a more together youtube contact where people are able to see and acknowledge you on a more neutral / less advertising space like Mastodon is also essential beyond just watching. Even work with them! This is perhaps the ultimate goal for every artist or educator and while it's "God not all at once" you do need to link people in else just have empty gallery or just tourists who barely use your work or remember you.</p><p>====================<br />🔴 USERS JUST KILLING TIME WITHOUT PARENTS / TEACHERS / EDUCATORS / ETC</p><p>So to make sure as 'users' were are not just killing time (from nothing else to do) we seem to need more relativity with others.<br />Yes some / all of us can use it to kill time nicely but often it's from nothing else to do (which can be bad)</p><p>It's like relying on tech while people stay the same less-skilled levels and less-confident online to actually build trust or measures things better. <br />Essentially need teaching and regular related examples.</p><p>Not investing in people themselves (and more tech) basically means we need a better balance between us than just being given a social messaging system ... or it's the natural next level after we have <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/Mastodon\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>Mastodon</span></a> etc</p><p>Encouraging closer social relativity... Growing people essentially (not expecting any outside system to do it but us ourselves). </p><p>Improving human relationship seems to be the #1 solution to many things which externally / outside are more conditional and as ultimatums to connecting so not quite able to be honest (it's <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/money\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>money</span></a> or <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/conditions\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>conditions</span></a> first). To make sure we are not just "users" of any system... we need to see and practise more ourselves <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/neutrally\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>neutrally</span></a> / <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/expressively\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>expressively</span></a>.</p><p>Talking together more often might not be for everyone BUT as system makers it's not only about giving people a system and leaving them to and expecting less <a href=\"https://qoto.org/tags/cordinated\" class=\"mention hashtag\" rel=\"tag\">#<span>cordinated</span></a> stuff to work (for those that want / can see others doing it and benefits).</p><p>It's like giving a child a new phone and expecting them to use it properly. 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