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"content": "These guys have stayed in the shadows for awhile, but I think it's worth bringing it out in the open now that we've seen their "power behind the throne" in light of finally being the force that had put Destiny on the backfoot, after so many had tried and failed to take down the reputation of the streamer in the decade and a half that he's risen in fame.<br><br>To give a brief analysis of the "drama" from my perspective:<br><br>Destiny had been streaming politics content for a good bit, and had found success in being hyperbolic on stream and using alot of language and body language that excites his viewers and inflames his anti-fans. Over time, Destiny was able to become increasingly niche as his audience grew, so he was able to cultivate larger anti-fan communities. Sometimes these anti-fan communities struck at him, but often times this actually empowered Destiny, as he just used it as content fuel to reinforce his streaming hegemony.<br><br>As time went on, and both Destiny and his anti-fans became more entrenched in their positions, the anti-fans realized that they needed to collectivize somewhat temporarily in order to take down Destiny. Destiny has been pretty familiarized with the Internet to this point though, having streamed on it for a number of years and being involved in online communities even longer, so he knew how to pre-empt and defuse a large number of attacks against him, and then Destiny would ultimately uncover the anti-fan conspiracy leader who lead the charge against him so that he could use his platform to "distance himself from them" and then utilize his own crop of online supporters to flood the ecosystem of the Internet arena in which all of this exists with "reputation takedowns" of the anti-fan leader in question so as to limit their ability to lead the charge against Destiny again. This largely worked in Destiny's favor, and even more so as time went on and his online supporters became more seasoned to clout wars, and Destiny's overall online intelligence and counter-intelligence network grew.<br><br>However, Destiny has maintained some weaknesses to his overall platform that he hasn't been able to entirely mitigate. Namely, perhaps the biggest one that I've noticed is that in drama spaces which hold philosophical worldviews that are distinctly different from his own, his anti-fan community is able to coalesce easier. <br><br>The biggest place for this that I have encountered where this holds true is the Destiny thread on Kiwifarms. Here, Destiny's anti-fans are particularly no-holds-barred with their commentary on Destiny-- ranging anywhere from constructive criticism TO pithy jokes at Destiny's expense TO bad faith mischaracterizations against his character and intentions TO downright seeming vendettas & resentment against Destiny himself. Destiny is somewhat helpless against this constant stream of obsessive commentary that watches his every on-stream move, looking for the next slip-up to potentially blow up as the next "scandal". Sure, he may have a few fans of his that slip onto the forum and covertly lobby and spread some level of Destiny's "soft power" against the endless waves of criticism, but often times even mild pro-Destiny sentiment tends to get weeded out rather quickly.<br><br>The Destiny anti-fan community of Kiwifarm is critical in discussing the recent, at least, semi-successful character assassination of Destiny through the recent drama/scandal/controversy because it really served as the foundational layer and the linchpin from which the public PR move against Destiny was able to even come about in the first place.<br><br>Without Kiwifarms there would've been no muster and no coalition.<br><br>But Kiwifarms did exist, and so there existed both a will and a group of people that were able to operatively collectivize against him.<br><br>So with 'the will', it exists suspended in a state of ceaseless obsession toward seemingly taking Destiny down as a streamer, or at least (in some cases) down a few pegs so that he can reckon with some of his own philosophical inconsistencies. So long as Destiny's thread remains highly active, which it has been, this collective will maintains within the context of the thread and for those who frequent it and agree with what is said there.<br><br>But to the people who would collectivize against him, who would really be the one to lead the effort to make this happen, and why?<br><br>The answer to this lies once again with Kiwifarms, but this gets into a new phenomena that has developed in recent years as "e-drama" has become more mainstream. Knowing that previous attempts to "dethrone the politics streaming content king" have left behind a trail of proverbial bodies of people who thought they had what it takes to be the 'ultimate rebel barbarian king anti-fan' and failed, the individual(s) who this time have launched the assault were those that were not only familiar with the value of Kiwifarms as a resource to meet this end, but also in understanding the nature of cross-platform narrative control and having their own platforms established first.<br><br>The short-list of some of the lead culprits for this particular attempted clout takedown against Destiny were Nicholas DeOrio, Chud Logic, and Turkey Tom, with Null-- owner-operator of Kiwifarms-- also having played a role, perhaps even more than what is publicly discussed.<br><br>Why this entire drama is important is because it puts in full view a better context of the inevitable bubbling up of the undercurrent of anti-fans that will tend to proliferate on Kiwifarms, as well as on Reddit snark subreddits and comment sections (albeit generally in more mitigated ways) for any streamer that reaches a certain size and where their public online conduct can be chimpclipped to potentially "rein them in" through series of lawsuits against them.<br><br>Essentially, to be a large successful "drama" or "politics" streamer, you will at some point be 'put in your place' by the law, whether it is a just law and set of legal proceedings or not.<br><br>Therefore, in light of this, one would need to decide in becoming a streamer, what path they would like to take. They can either be:<br><br>A) A diluted, cookie-cutter "drama" streamer that tricks their audience into always supporting the narrative that is 100% in accordance with the law at all times. Lawtubers themselves tend to have an easier and more profitable go at this than your generic late night video game overlay streamer.<br>B) A streamer who comments on drama at times but with which it is either a small part of the overall brand, or otherwise isn't related to the engagement of the channel itself. As well, people who don't really care about the metrics with regard to the channel can also choose this route.<br>C) A streamer who basically writes off "public zeitgeist" drama and simply engages in niche content that is highly technical, whereupon they can choose to spawn a culture of insular drama in their own (somewhat) cordoned off community at a level that they feel comfortable with.<br><br>And now while I would've liked to have ended there, I think it's worth getting into a little bit about this new online paradigm as we've seen it so far concerning this prevailing drama ecosystem that exists that has seemingly at least rattled Destiny, but perhaps has actually dislodged him from his prominence in some way as well.<br><br>Nicholas DeOrio seems to have been the pointman, or certainly at least the buttonman, when it came to the recent effort to take Destiny down. Turkey Tom came in support of his narrative. As did the more BreadTube/lefty-politics-aligned President Sunday and Chud Logic. What's characteristic of all of the people here are a couple of things:<br><br>1) They all understand Destiny's content with regard to his audience, thus recognizing the general interests of the audience.<br>2) They all saw value in Destiny losing some audience capture and some reputational damage, much to their benefit.<br>3) They all have platforms and understand the value of platforms and cross-platform discussion with regards to audience capture.<br>4) They all understand the value of Kiwifarms with regard to being a useful resource in launching an anti-fan campaign to meet their goals in carving up a portion of the bigger streamers' market share.<br><br>These items taken together serve as a deadly combination with which Destiny was left taken aback for the first time in a long time, if perhaps ever, as far as his streaming career was concerned.<br><br>Since it seemed to have a certain level of success, I expect this model of understanding to exist and expand toward taking down other public figures / influencers in the online "marketplace of ideas" in the future. <br><br>For future streamers, therefore, it is incumbent on you to cross your 't's and dot your 'i's on all things as far as your public presentation is concerned, because the amount of scrutiny and conversation surrounding you is only set to increase.",
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"content": "These guys have stayed in the shadows for awhile, but I think it's worth bringing it out in the open now that we've seen their \"power behind the throne\" in light of finally being the force that had put Destiny on the backfoot, after so many had tried and failed to take down the reputation of the streamer in the decade and a half that he's risen in fame.\r\n\r\nTo give a brief analysis of the \"drama\" from my perspective:\r\n\r\nDestiny had been streaming politics content for a good bit, and had found success in being hyperbolic on stream and using alot of language and body language that excites his viewers and inflames his anti-fans. Over time, Destiny was able to become increasingly niche as his audience grew, so he was able to cultivate larger anti-fan communities. Sometimes these anti-fan communities struck at him, but often times this actually empowered Destiny, as he just used it as content fuel to reinforce his streaming hegemony.\r\n\r\nAs time went on, and both Destiny and his anti-fans became more entrenched in their positions, the anti-fans realized that they needed to collectivize somewhat temporarily in order to take down Destiny. Destiny has been pretty familiarized with the Internet to this point though, having streamed on it for a number of years and being involved in online communities even longer, so he knew how to pre-empt and defuse a large number of attacks against him, and then Destiny would ultimately uncover the anti-fan conspiracy leader who lead the charge against him so that he could use his platform to \"distance himself from them\" and then utilize his own crop of online supporters to flood the ecosystem of the Internet arena in which all of this exists with \"reputation takedowns\" of the anti-fan leader in question so as to limit their ability to lead the charge against Destiny again. This largely worked in Destiny's favor, and even more so as time went on and his online supporters became more seasoned to clout wars, and Destiny's overall online intelligence and counter-intelligence network grew.\r\n\r\nHowever, Destiny has maintained some weaknesses to his overall platform that he hasn't been able to entirely mitigate. Namely, perhaps the biggest one that I've noticed is that in drama spaces which hold philosophical worldviews that are distinctly different from his own, his anti-fan community is able to coalesce easier. \r\n\r\nThe biggest place for this that I have encountered where this holds true is the Destiny thread on Kiwifarms. Here, Destiny's anti-fans are particularly no-holds-barred with their commentary on Destiny-- ranging anywhere from constructive criticism TO pithy jokes at Destiny's expense TO bad faith mischaracterizations against his character and intentions TO downright seeming vendettas & resentment against Destiny himself. Destiny is somewhat helpless against this constant stream of obsessive commentary that watches his every on-stream move, looking for the next slip-up to potentially blow up as the next \"scandal\". Sure, he may have a few fans of his that slip onto the forum and covertly lobby and spread some level of Destiny's \"soft power\" against the endless waves of criticism, but often times even mild pro-Destiny sentiment tends to get weeded out rather quickly.\r\n\r\nThe Destiny anti-fan community of Kiwifarm is critical in discussing the recent, at least, semi-successful character assassination of Destiny through the recent drama/scandal/controversy because it really served as the foundational layer and the linchpin from which the public PR move against Destiny was able to even come about in the first place.\r\n\r\nWithout Kiwifarms there would've been no muster and no coalition.\r\n\r\nBut Kiwifarms did exist, and so there existed both a will and a group of people that were able to operatively collectivize against him.\r\n\r\nSo with 'the will', it exists suspended in a state of ceaseless obsession toward seemingly taking Destiny down as a streamer, or at least (in some cases) down a few pegs so that he can reckon with some of his own philosophical inconsistencies. So long as Destiny's thread remains highly active, which it has been, this collective will maintains within the context of the thread and for those who frequent it and agree with what is said there.\r\n\r\nBut to the people who would collectivize against him, who would really be the one to lead the effort to make this happen, and why?\r\n\r\nThe answer to this lies once again with Kiwifarms, but this gets into a new phenomena that has developed in recent years as \"e-drama\" has become more mainstream. Knowing that previous attempts to \"dethrone the politics streaming content king\" have left behind a trail of proverbial bodies of people who thought they had what it takes to be the 'ultimate rebel barbarian king anti-fan' and failed, the individual(s) who this time have launched the assault were those that were not only familiar with the value of Kiwifarms as a resource to meet this end, but also in understanding the nature of cross-platform narrative control and having their own platforms established first.\r\n\r\nThe short-list of some of the lead culprits for this particular attempted clout takedown against Destiny were Nicholas DeOrio, Chud Logic, and Turkey Tom, with Null-- owner-operator of Kiwifarms-- also having played a role, perhaps even more than what is publicly discussed.\r\n\r\nWhy this entire drama is important is because it puts in full view a better context of the inevitable bubbling up of the undercurrent of anti-fans that will tend to proliferate on Kiwifarms, as well as on Reddit snark subreddits and comment sections (albeit generally in more mitigated ways) for any streamer that reaches a certain size and where their public online conduct can be chimpclipped to potentially \"rein them in\" through series of lawsuits against them.\r\n\r\nEssentially, to be a large successful \"drama\" or \"politics\" streamer, you will at some point be 'put in your place' by the law, whether it is a just law and set of legal proceedings or not.\r\n\r\nTherefore, in light of this, one would need to decide in becoming a streamer, what path they would like to take. They can either be:\r\n\r\nA) A diluted, cookie-cutter \"drama\" streamer that tricks their audience into always supporting the narrative that is 100% in accordance with the law at all times. Lawtubers themselves tend to have an easier and more profitable go at this than your generic late night video game overlay streamer.\r\nB) A streamer who comments on drama at times but with which it is either a small part of the overall brand, or otherwise isn't related to the engagement of the channel itself. As well, people who don't really care about the metrics with regard to the channel can also choose this route.\r\nC) A streamer who basically writes off \"public zeitgeist\" drama and simply engages in niche content that is highly technical, whereupon they can choose to spawn a culture of insular drama in their own (somewhat) cordoned off community at a level that they feel comfortable with.\r\n\r\nAnd now while I would've liked to have ended there, I think it's worth getting into a little bit about this new online paradigm as we've seen it so far concerning this prevailing drama ecosystem that exists that has seemingly at least rattled Destiny, but perhaps has actually dislodged him from his prominence in some way as well.\r\n\r\nNicholas DeOrio seems to have been the pointman, or certainly at least the buttonman, when it came to the recent effort to take Destiny down. Turkey Tom came in support of his narrative. As did the more BreadTube/lefty-politics-aligned President Sunday and Chud Logic. What's characteristic of all of the people here are a couple of things:\r\n\r\n1) They all understand Destiny's content with regard to his audience, thus recognizing the general interests of the audience.\r\n2) They all saw value in Destiny losing some audience capture and some reputational damage, much to their benefit.\r\n3) They all have platforms and understand the value of platforms and cross-platform discussion with regards to audience capture.\r\n4) They all understand the value of Kiwifarms with regard to being a useful resource in launching an anti-fan campaign to meet their goals in carving up a portion of the bigger streamers' market share.\r\n\r\nThese items taken together serve as a deadly combination with which Destiny was left taken aback for the first time in a long time, if perhaps ever, as far as his streaming career was concerned.\r\n\r\nSince it seemed to have a certain level of success, I expect this model of understanding to exist and expand toward taking down other public figures / influencers in the online \"marketplace of ideas\" in the future. \r\n\r\nFor future streamers, therefore, it is incumbent on you to cross your 't's and dot your 'i's on all things as far as your public presentation is concerned, because the amount of scrutiny and conversation surrounding you is only set to increase.",
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